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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:41 pm 
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It dosnt sound like JG was much interested in understanding what you were proposing let alone pass it on to someone in engineering/product development. Back in 2008 the concern probably was selling lots of boards to Shawn White park rat wantabe's. Now that this segment of the market is growing hopefully they will give this a proper r&d budget.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:59 pm 
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I don't know much but I do know that you can use standard Voile pucks with the K2 channel system.

Wish i could help more.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:20 am 
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as long as the channels aren't too far off of the position of the Voilé Inserts, and you use the double slottet pucks, it will always work with the standard pucks.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:37 am 
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As far as I know JG is Burton's R&D guy. There are other people working under him but he is the man there.

Chris, if it makes you feel any better I sketched out a channel system for use with baseless bindings back in '94 or so on a brown paper bag in the car on my way to Baker with my dad. Two weeks later I read about Rev introducing the channels in TWBusiness and never did anything with my idea. I sympathize. I've shared ideas with a handful of people and then see similar products come out and the only thing I get out of it is satisfaction that my ideas are appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:34 pm 
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Just found this video on Youtube that shows the new system a little better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLDQsBjNqA

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:32 pm 
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Holy fock. That's goddamn awesome. :drool:

I have to say that once I set my pucks, I rarely ever move them again, but initial setup would be way easier, and Jeezus that locking toe ramp is the shizz! Maybe what impresses me most is that they got Burton, Voile, and Spark to all collaborate on one project and make some potential magic. Federal Government, are you getting any of this?

Right now I don't even miss any Edison news. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:56 pm 
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NatGreen wrote:
Just found this video on Youtube that shows the new system a little better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLDQsBjNqA




Love the stance adjustments without taking the bindings off!!
Change the stance up every day, multiple times a day depending on terrain.

More inovation, things just keep getting better.

Curious about the channel system, patent up? how much it costs for manufacturers to use? anyone know?

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:04 am 
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Love the no pins! Jeep door style, very slick. Much faster and less finicky with cold fingers I'd assume. Digging it!


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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
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philip.ak wrote:
.. is that they got Burton, Voile, and Spark to all collaborate on one project and make some potential magic. Federal Government, are you getting any of this?


haha patent applications with three-way assignees!


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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:42 pm 
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whistlermaverick wrote:
NatGreen wrote:
Just found this video on Youtube that shows the new system a little better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLDQsBjNqA


Love the stance adjustments without taking the bindings off!!
Change the stance up every day, multiple times a day depending on terrain.

More inovation, things just keep getting better.


:bananas: :bananas: :bananas: Now, if Burton will just bump up the width on their splits for the fellas rocking big hooves.

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Really interesting! I think there is more going on in those pucks than is obvious from the video, I'd like to see them close up. I'm wondering how they keep the pucks flush against the end blocks of the bindings when twisting them into whatever random position? If they were just loose you'd think they'd tend to migrate to the center of the board as you're sliding the binding around, and you'd end up with a bunch of fore/aft play in the binding.

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as long as the channels aren't too far off of the position of the Voilé Inserts, and you use the double slottet pucks, it will always work with the standard pucks.

This is technically true, but then you'd be limited in stance angle even moreso than with the regular Voile setup (using one parallel slot and one inline slot is what allows some degree of stance angle adjustment beyond just the insert positions). Anyway it sounds like the Magneto should work with standard puck setups, you just won't have the same range of adjustment flexibility.

Anyway I think the key is that you can actually get to the screws through the binding baseplate. I think it's of limited use if you have to take the binding off to adjust things. Using the Voile tool never seems to actually line things up for me. But maybe that's just me, because:

whistlermaverick wrote:
Love the stance adjustments without taking the bindings off!!
Change the stance up every day, multiple times a day depending on terrain.

Wow, you actually do this in the field with the current Voile setup? I wouldn't dare, it takes me forever to get the pucks lined up properly when switching them. At least to the point where all play in the binding is eliminated...


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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:44 pm 
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I'm a burton hater, but that is cool. I didn't have a problem setting my stance exactly the way I like it on my venture though. I'm also a guy who never changes my stance for the conditions

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 Post subject: Re: New Spark Binders at the OR Show
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:56 pm 
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jimw wrote:

whistlermaverick wrote:
Love the stance adjustments without taking the bindings off!!
Change the stance up every day, multiple times a day depending on terrain.

Wow, you actually do this in the field with the current Voile setup? I wouldn't dare, it takes me forever to get the pucks lined up properly when switching them. At least to the point where all play in the binding is eliminated...


I did that once, I used my spark tool that came with my bindings, at the top of Cardiff ridge in LCC? Not very fun.

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