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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:12 am 
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samh wrote:
When will you be sending a set of binders to a non-partisan third party for a head to head? P.S. please make this person someone we respect.


Not sure if I'm non-partisan enough or if you respect my thoughts but I've got a set of each in the house and will add some thoughts soon. I've have about 3 months on the Light Rail but haven't used the Fuse yet.

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I'm stoked to see Voile make this move into strap bindings. More options is generally a good thing. As much as I am a loyal fan of Spark, I did find myself reaching for the Light Rails more last year due to the weight savings. They are noticeably lighter to the hand...er I mean foot. Now that the Ignition has been redesigned and gone on a diet the weight differences will be less noticeable.

The Light Rail (proto) is definitely durable and stiff based on my experience. I had my reservations about the connection between the rails and the baseplate but they connection is as tight now as it was on day one. No issues there.

I do like prefer the pin design of Sparks as its easier to get to and work with. Both bindings are going to be better than regular strap bindings and slider tracks so its a win win.

Dual climbing bars are welcomed product as well and while many seasoned splitters won't be looking at the Trax its a good product for new splitters on a budget (and again is better than regular straps and sliders).

As for crampons, I haven't used them in years as I find that technique (and cursing) are more useful but I do like the on-the-fly and packability of Mr. Chomps.


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:03 am 
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i can't really give a product review because I don't have the "light rail binding", but i do have an early prototype of the binding(same base plate and rails, different highback and straps).

Durability-granted I only have one season on them, but i don't really foresee the base plate cracking anytime soon 7075-T6 is pretty gnarly stuff.

Weight- At the time of me testing this binding the ignition II's were the hot ticket, and my voile proto was quite a bit lighter. with the introduction of the Fuse the weights are really similar so no real advantage there. I will say that this binding gave me my lightest split set up to date.

Height- Almost the same as Ignitions II's. maybe a hair higher.

My prototype of this binding rode and skinned great. Very light and responsive. I didn't experience any of the "ankle roll" and in some cases felt that it was easier to stick an icy side hill with these bindings than with the sparks.

I was hoping the price would be lower, but I'm confident this would be a good buy. Is it better than the fuse? probably not. but i'm glad to see Voile finally start to roll some shit out of the warehouse and into the market.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:48 am 
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jcocci wrote:
What about crampons? Looks like its not any easier to put crampons on with the new Voile bindings, which one thing about the sparks that is a big plus.

IMO, that's should be Voilé's next little project. Putting on their crampons is very annoying (and sometime scary...)!


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:42 am 
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treepilot wrote:
Interesting design - it's actually just as low as the fuse, but doesn't look like it due to the design.


Is it? It looks to be a couple of millimeters higher than the Fuse, but I guess pictures can be deceiving and we won't really know until someone measures it.

Big props to Voile for putting a new design on the market. I hope it is a success.

I do wonder about the design, though. The rails just look so little under that plate, and the Fuse seems more solid and durable based on looks alone. But I am no engineer, and looks don't really mean much. I look forward to the reveiws.


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:37 am 
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As far as the crampons go. I like the fact that the Spark crampons are a lot smaller and take up less space in the pack. I have to use the Voile crampons and they are great, but I rarely pack them as they take up so much room in the pack. Maybe I just need to get a bigger pack...


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:25 am 
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What about crampons? Looks like its not any easier to put crampons on with the new Voile bindings, which one thing about the sparks that is a big plus.


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:19 am 
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samh wrote:
Will? Voile? When will you be sending a set of binders to a non-partisan third party for a head to head? P.S. please make this person someone we respect. Thank you.


I don't need a pair or a set - Voile with a left one, Spark with a right one - I'll report back when the first one breaks!

Interesting design - it's actually just as low as the fuse, but doesn't look like it due to the design. Modular makes sense in the event that something breaks - you can presumably buy just a rail, or two or just the baseplate.

The avi release could be added to any binding out there, as long as you have some string and a drill. Heck, you might not even need the drill....

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
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I kinda like them. But I think ill have to put my hands on both before I make any decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
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Binding does look cool. Definitely good to see new options coming out. As for the dual height climbing wires, its about time Voile did this. The G3 dual fits BTW for those who didn't know. I have them on my DIY. The only issue with the G3 ones is that you have to have one them lifted when in solid mode as i gets in the way of the binding. Hopefully the voile ones aren't the same way.


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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:46 am 
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wasatch surf wrote:
i'm a lot more excited about the dual height climbing wires than i am the binding.


+1

Props to Voile for coming out with a new binding and giving us all more options. More options = good for all of us. I don't see tons of differences between the setups, and have ridden the Sparks for a couple of years now. They work perfectly, so when I get another set it, I'll order the Fuses. :twocents:

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:39 am 
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SPLITRIPPIN wrote:
I just think Voile was wrong in how hard core they borrowed Spark R&D's idea w/o giving them some type of restitution. Hell they held everyone else to the fire for their patent.


From what i understand, Will has an agreement w/voile to make his products.

Therefore, Voile "lets him" and can borrow whatever they want...i could be wrong though.

And im still going Fuse for the win.

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
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It's kinda like when Burton came out with the Kevlar binding... snap crackle pop. In my eyes being 6'1 195 of hunka munka Polacko.... I will spare the light weight for solid bindings. To me it's night and day. Keep in mind I've never ridden the Fuse, and hated the Voile rail for years (Hence why I put up with the well intended Burton interface) simply because it's flush to the board. This is still what Voile is missing you still have wiggle room between the plate and the board. Space = flex = snap!

I know solid when I see it, and the Fuse looks like it will perform and then some.

I'm in no way wanting to get anybody pissed.... Everybody likes what they like. I'm always going to try to support the mom/pop shop. I just think Voile was wrong in how hard core they borrowed Spark R&D's idea w/o giving them some type of restitution. Hell they held everyone else to the fire for their patent.

stoked to buy my Fuses!!!

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 Post subject: Re: New Voile Product Announcement Nov 23rd
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:14 am 
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It's nice having a couple of binder options now. I think I am going to stick with Will when I make the plunge. Hopefully come January.

The dual touring brackets are huge. I'll probably pre order a pair this week.

Now I really wish we could get skins with a manufactured tail clip. Are you listening to me Voile?


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